Mehdi Hasan calls out Democrats for not pushing to

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Posted by blindness on May 13, 2025 at 11:39:46

abolish ICE as a part of their agenda. He extends this, correctly, I would say, to AOC and Sanders, who in their "Fight Oligarchy" did not advocate abolishing ICE.

This needs to be a major item on the Democratic agenda, if and when the party finds its spine.

Ice has become Trump’s private militia. It must be abolished

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ICE is pulling some Gestapo stuff out of their asses Dr.J 16:06:38 05/13/25 (0)
That should go as well as defund the police confused442 14:42:31 05/13/25 (22)
- Defunding does not mean abolishing blindness 16:26:23 05/13/25 (14)
  - And yet, the Dems lost votes over it... confused442 21:01:20 05/13/25 (13)
    - According to whom? Dr.J 22:56:45 05/13/25 (11)
      - Re: According to whom? confused442 01:15:48 05/14/25 (10)
        
        I get that it is bad messaging that didn't poll well... Dr.J 09:50:32 05/14/25 (9)
        
        Re: I get that it is bad messaging that didn't poll well... confused442 11:03:04 05/14/25 (8)
        
        It is very straightforward… Dr.J 12:40:00 05/14/25 (4)
        
        Re: It is very straightforward… confused442 23:23:30 05/14/25 (3)
        
        You've twisted yourself into a pretzel confused Dr.J 10:48:31 05/15/25 (0)
        
        Hate to be a pest but if there are no post-election polls that blindness 01:56:37 05/15/25 (1)
        
        Re: Hate to be a pest but if there are no post-election polls that confused442 10:18:50 05/15/25 (0)
        
        These kinds of studies are done all the time blindness 11:46:53 05/14/25 (2)
        
        Re: These kinds of studies are done all the time confused442 10:21:22 05/15/25 (0)
        
        Of course they do and that was the entire point of my post* Dr.J 12:40:51 05/14/25 (0)
    - They can't formulate a message out of a paper bag* blindness 22:09:48 05/13/25 (0)
- It’s not “Dems”. It’s Americans. I’d rather my party… Fuzzy 15:42:28 05/13/25 (6)
  - Re: It’s not “Dems”. It’s Americans. I’d rather my party… confused442 21:03:07 05/13/25 (5)
    - Getting rid of ICE is essential blindness 22:12:11 05/13/25 (4)
      - Re: Getting rid of ICE is essential confused442 01:18:23 05/14/25 (3)
        
        It is this theory of government that got us into the trouble blindness 09:13:19 05/14/25 (2)
        
        No it's losing elections confused442 11:06:49 05/14/25 (1)
        
        I'm sure I don't need to go into how profoundly we disagree on blindness 11:43:05 05/14/25 (0)
Is ICE the problem, or is the way it is run the problem? Surely… Fuzzy 12:28:14 05/13/25 (12)
- I would say all the racism, cruelty, nationalism, and its blindness 13:39:01 05/13/25 (0)
- Exactly. We need ICE. Any agency can go rogue, DEA, DOJ, HasBen 12:41:02 05/13/25 (9)
  - I don't think this is ICE going rogue blindness 13:49:23 05/13/25 (6)
    - Then maybe DHS is the agency we should eliminate. I still HasBen 16:01:02 05/13/25 (5)
      - On the first point, sure, no objections from me blindness 16:20:36 05/13/25 (4)
        
        From what I have seen of law enforcement, it doesn't take . . . BluBlood 18:20:22 05/13/25 (1)
        
        And obviously, it doesn't stop there blindness 18:39:29 05/13/25 (0)
        
        I'm sorry that you feel that those in uniform are hopeless HasBen 17:32:01 05/13/25 (1)
        
        I dunno. Look at the examples that Hasan gives blindness 18:32:23 05/13/25 (0)
  - We lived without ICE until 2003 Dr.J 13:46:01 05/13/25 (1)
    - Can? Yes. Will? We’ll see* Fuzzy 14:42:42 05/13/25 (0)
- How it was run under Biden was indeed a problem.* wwood2 12:32:39 05/13/25 (0)

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